From my years at the Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, gifts are probably the things that cause most public officer holders the most angst, including that office as well. It's not always easy to figure that out. On the lobbyist front, the rule right now is simply that lobbyists should not provide a gift that would put the public office holder in a situation where they feel like they owe.... There is no amount on the lobbying side of things. This is where, I think, there is absolutely an opportunity between the two offices to join fronts and try to explain to lobbyists and public office holders exactly what the rules should or shouldn't be.
At the end of the day, for me, it's all fact-based. You can give somebody something and the public office holder will not think twice about it, but if you give that same thing over and over, for five days in a row and you know that it's their favourite thing to get, maybe it creates a relationship where the public office holder will feel they owe this particular person something. It's very fact-based, the role that the public office holder has, the type of lobbying. Therefore, I can't give you a rule, but I certainly understand that this is an issue that will need to be clarified for all.