I really believe in deterrence. When I was the public sector integrity commissioner, our organization's work was preventive.
As I said earlier, we are trying to educate. People are fundamentally honest. When a complaint is lodged and the investigation reveals an offence, I think it's important to impose a penalty that reflects the seriousness of the situation. As with any system designed to regulate the conduct of individuals, it helps others understand the consequences of breaking the law.