Thank you, Chair.
Thank you so much to our two witnesses today for giving us a broader framework to work with. It certainly is very educational.
Mr. MacDonald, you brought up COVID-19. It is a thing and it is happening. For my part, it's been a very intense session with all the new programs that have been rolled out in various ways and forums.
In a context like that, or we can think of another example, thinking about conflict of interest, is that something that is affected by the situational context in which the decision-makers are acting? There's especially this idea that good people can honestly believe they're doing good things and not necessarily be aware or have some sort of cognitive bias about what they're doing.