Right.
With respect to the matter that led to this study, which is the awarding of the service agreement to the WE Charity by the Government of Canada, in testimony related to that at the finance committee, Prime Minister Trudeau laid a great emphasis on the distinction between a conflict of interest and the perception of a conflict of interest, an actual conflict versus the perception of one.
Gentlemen, one of you spoke to the harm that does to the trust that people have in institutions. Was that you, Mr. MacDonald?