That's interesting because we dealt with so much in our office. We were talking to ministers' offices, and nobody ever suggested we had a problem with volunteerism. We had a serious problem with university students not getting jobs.
I'm not saying this as an attack on the PCO. You were given what has already been put together by ESDC. We know that Craig Kielburger had already approached Bardish Chagger. He had approached Minister Ng; Minister Morneau's office was involved. They had a first proposal, and they said no, how about a second proposal.
On April 23 the Prime Minister makes an announcement that sounds very similar to the Kielburger proposal. From that point on, it seems they are the only game in town.
I really need to know how this happened, that the Kielburger brothers who are in financial free fall can call three ministers' offices, get a proposal in, and have that proposal reflect almost what the Prime Minister's saying, and then we're moving forward with a $900-million deal.
Those parameters that made them the only game in town, to me how did those parameters...? Was it the NGO? Was it WE that came up with those parameters, working with the advice they got from the ministers: Minister Chagger, Minister Ng? Is that how this happened?