I totally understand because, again, we're trying to find out through all these corporate structures who actually pays the Kielburgers. There's a lot of money going through.
Sofia Marquez is listed as their director of government relations. That seemed to me to be something that would be considered a standard lobbyist. They said she didn't do enough work to cover that, but in January of 2020 they were hiring a manager of government relations.
Would you consider an organization that has two people dedicated to government relations to be involved in lobbying, hypothetically?