Well, that's what they keep telling us.
So anyways, I'm looking here, “Happy Monday! Min. Chagger expressed interest in exploring ways to adapt the entrepreneurship proposal we submitted to Min. Ng and include a service component.... She suggested that we should consider opening a service-stream”. So that was Sophia Marquez.
Then you wrote and said that Minister Chagger gave you this advice, and this is what you were following up on. So you were following up, and you already had the plan started by the time Rachel Wernick.... Let's just cut to the chase. You met with Chagger, and she gave you this idea, so Wernick didn't come out of the blue. You were meeting with her boss beforehand. Correct?