Actually, it wasn't a general conversation. Mr. Rodriguez, I really think you're downplaying and diminishing Mr. Theis's importance. He's the director of cabinet affairs.
On April 30 he is briefed for an hour on the Canada summer student grant, so he knows all about this. It is a briefing to the director of cabinet because it is going to cabinet.
Then on May 5 he has a 25-minute meeting, and you say, “Well”—I think I heard Ms. Lattanzio say—“people have big ideas.” God, the government loves talking to people with big ideas. The director of cabinet doesn't talk with a bunch of people with big ideas. They're talking about a billion-dollar program that's about to be approved at cabinet. He is briefed by Craig and Marc Kielburger, and they write to him later about the streamlining of the contribution agreement.
We have an issue here. The Prime Minister's director of cabinet affairs, who's about to bring this to cabinet, has a one-hour briefing on the grant and then has a meeting with Craig and Marc Kielburger. What was it that they were trying to streamline? We saw a lot of problems with this program. Why did he tell them that they could streamline this?