Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Minister, to the question asked by Mr. Barrett, I believe, whether Rick Theis was aware that WE covered the expenses of the Prime Minister's wife when she travelled to London, you said no, not to your knowledge.
Again, I understand as in the previous examples that you are not inside Rick Theis' head. You cannot say what he knows and doesn't know. I understand that. I think that every member of the committee understands that. That is why we asked him to come explain himself, not to bully him as I heard him say earlier, but to testify, to tell us what is happening and what happened, to his knowledge.
If we cannot get his testimony by inviting him here, if we cannot get his testimony when the House orders him to come testify, in your opinion, Minister, how can we find out what Rick Theis knows or doesn't know?