Thanks for that point of order.
To go back to the point that I mentioned earlier, about the money, when we consider the fact that these programs are getting to the right people.... I don't know why, and that includes the comments that were just made.... Let's not look into who is involved, by which...they don't get the money. In other words, what I'm saying to you is that if you look at the situation that unfolded, that we have, when you wrap it up into nefarious motives, first of all, they weren't. It was quite obvious that nobody wanted to withhold this money from the students.
That is obvious, but if you want to talk about the system by which we perhaps can propose a better way of delivering the service, in terms of what I would expect if I were in opposition. I would be asking questions germane to the situation, which would be more like, okay, who is best able to provide a service such as this to students, the grant service itself? It was discussed that it was this outside source, which was WE Charity. Then, as you saw from the discussions, which were quite transparent, it seemed that the internal machinations of the Canadian government could not get it out as fast. Now, maybe Mr. Johns could say that maybe they could do it better, and that's a valid argument, but I didn't see that debate unfold.
I saw a debate unfold that was more about dragging people into this. Like I said, in the spirit of this motion, I don't think they belong there. I really don't. In many cases, if you want to look at how we can improve this for the future, there are ways of doing that. The discussion that we could have within either this committee or the finance committee.... Heck, you can even make a special committee if you wish. I'm sorry. I meant that somewhat sarcastically.
You could do that to get what Mr. Johns wants. That is true, but think about all that we're talking about now and the emphasis that we're putting on this particular motion to just have it here. We are confronting each other with it. How could we get to the nub of the issue to do what is most important, which is to allow students to get the services, to get the experience they so desire?
I'm not perfect, Mr. Johns, but sometimes we can get close to perfection if we pretend that we're not perfect, if that makes any sense.
Nevertheless, I want to thank the committee for putting up with my little visit that I popped in. Thank you for having me, although I feel like you really didn't have much of a choice, but nevertheless, thanks for entertaining me.
Mr. Chair, thanks. That's it for me. I'm signing off. It's now 10:30 in Newfoundland and that's it for me. Thank you.