Okay, I appreciate that being clarified; there are those four current proceedings before the courts.
Now I think that we find ourselves in an interesting circumstance. You've been given order-making power, and it would have at one point in time been seen to have been enough to name and shame. We've had similar conversations now with a series of ethics commissioners to the effect that a $500 fine for breaking the ethics rules was at one point seen to be.... The punishment of being exposed as having broken the ethics rules was enough.
You were assured in the beginning not to worry about it—there's no penalty because it's not a big deal, because of course they'd want to.... I'm being a bit facetious here, but Madam Maynard, Commissioner, what would be an appropriate penalty to ensure that we don't have this culture of secrecy ultimately perpetrated upon Canadians who are denied access to their information?