Evidence of meeting #116 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was going.
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Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
There's a motion on the floor. Are you receiving additional motions while the committee is considering a motion?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Mr. Barrett, I did go back to Ms. Damoff on this. I will come back to you.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
No, Chair, there's a motion on the floor. It's been put. You ruled it in order and notice was given. Notice was not given for the motion that you're now going to accept.
Further, I had the floor, and you gave Mr. Green the floor on a point of order. Unless we're—
NDP
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Is it your ruling, then, that my motion is out of order?
I'll await your ruling.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Just hang on a sec, Mr. Barrett.
After clarifying with the clerk, Mr. Barrett, here's what happened. We were discussing, under committee business, the misinformation and disinformation study. You moved your motion, and I agreed with that.
Mr. Green raised a point of order. I accepted his point of order, because we were still discussing what Ms. Damoff had brought up.
Unfortunately, the decision I made dealt with Mr. Green's valid point of order, so the motion we'll be dealing with right now—I will come back to you on this other one—will be Ms. Damoff's motion on extending the meeting study.
Unfortunately, that's what occurred, Mr. Barrett.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
What is the...? She didn't move a motion.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
We were still in discussion. She effectively still had the floor on what Mr. Green had brought up, so—
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
But she actually did not have the floor.
NDP
Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON
Just challenge him, do the vote, and you can go back to your whip's office and [Inaudible—Editor] do the work.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
I made the decision, Mr. Barrett. If you don't agree with it, I will have to ask that you challenge it, because unfortunately for you, the decision was made.
Conservative
Conservative
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Chair, it's unfortunate that Mr. Barrett is so opposed to even having a discussion about continuing this study.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Hang on, Ms. Damoff. There's a point of order.
I think what Mr. Barrett was talking about was the procedural aspect of what had occurred. I've explained that already.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Correct, but if we're just accepting interventions when other people have the floor, let me make one.
Chair, it's not the substance of what Ms. Damoff is offering—
NDP
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
But we're doing that now.
NDP
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Chair, I will have to challenge your ruling. There's no standing order that you're using to dismiss the motion that was duly moved and ruled in order. It's not an acceptable precedent to set once a member is given the floor. There were no other speakers ahead of me. I was given the floor. I moved a motion for which notice had been given. If someone might maybe move a motion sometime in the future—well, they can't move that motion. It's dismissed. We're going to deal with someone else.
Therefore yes, I challenge your ruling.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
I'm going to accept the challenge, Mr. Barrett.
We will call the vote on my decision.
Go ahead, Madam Clerk.
Liberal
Pam Damoff Liberal Oakville North—Burlington, ON
Just before we go to the vote, could the clerk explain exactly what the motion is?
I know when it's challenging the chair, the yes-and-no voting can.... What exactly is the wording we're voting on?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
The point we're voting on is Mr. Barrett challenging my decision as chair and my ruling on Mr. Green's point of order, which allowed the discussion to continue so that you could move your motion, Ms. Damoff.
That's what we're doing. If you don't agree with my ruling, you vote no. If you agree with my ruling, you vote yes.