Evidence of meeting #122 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was randy.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Konrad von Finckenstein  Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Lyne Robinson-Dalpé  Director, Advisory and Compliance, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Good morning, everyone.

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 122 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, May 7, the committee is commencing its study of compliance of a minister to the Conflict of Interest Act.

Before I begin, I want to remind everyone again about the earpieces. Make sure that when they're not in use, they are on the stickers that are on the table, so that we don't have feedback for the interpreters as well.

I want to thank everyone for their co-operation.

I also want to state that all of the interventions are to go through the chair this morning. I want to make sure there is enough time for answers and questions.

I don't want any interactions where we have two people speaking at the same time. I'm going to give an equal amount of time to the questioners and to the minister to respond. I don't want people jumping in. We have to be mindful of interpretation, not the least of which is the fact that the right information is getting interpreted, but also, again, to further protect our interpreters from any potential injury.

With that being said, I want to welcome the Honourable Randy Boissonnault, minister, who is appearing for the first hour.

Mr. Boissonnault, you have up to five minutes to address the committee.

Please go ahead, sir.

11 a.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Steveston—Richmond East, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I have a quick question.

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Go ahead on your point of order.

11 a.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Steveston—Richmond East, BC

Before we begin, I have a quick question regarding the question of privilege motion that was being debated last meeting.

Page 154 in the third edition of House of Commons Procedure and Practice clearly outlines the process by which a question of privilege is dealt with at committee. In the interest of time, we'll forgo a recap of everything that transpired up to this point. I'll also not read the entire passage, but I want to highlight one line, which is, “The motion is debatable and amendable, and will have priority of consideration in the committee.”

In my opinion, debate on that motion should have superseded the agenda today. However, out of respect for our witness and other committee members, I will abide by the agenda as published.

My question for you, sir, is this: Will you provide the opportunity for debate to continue on the question of privilege motion at Thursday's meeting?

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Why don't we get through this and then I can answer that at the end of today's meeting. I'll leave a little bit of time with the minister and I'll let you know what the plan is.

Is that fair enough?

11 a.m.

Liberal

Parm Bains Liberal Steveston—Richmond East, BC

Thank you.

11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Minister Boissonnault, you have up to five minutes to address the committee.

Go ahead, sir.

11 a.m.

Edmonton Centre Alberta

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault LiberalMinister of Employment

Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.

I'm happy to be here at committee to address the innuendo and misinformation that has been spread by the opposition over the last few weeks.

Mr. Chair, it's the nature of partisan politics that we have vigorous and even fiery debates. It's the job of the opposition to hold the government to account. I understand this dynamic and I respect it. However, even the rhetoric of a hyperpartisan Conservative Party needs to at least take into account the actual facts of a situation.

Let's begin with an essential fact. Canada has one of the strictest ethics regimes in the world for elected officials and that is exactly what Canadians expect. I have always conducted myself in an ethical manner that follows the spirit and the letter of those rules.

On that note, I am grateful to the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner for reviewing the claims made by Mr. Barrett and the media, and for the commissioner's conclusion that there is no need for his office to look into this matter further. The impartial, independent and non-partisan body in charge of the rules has made its decision. That should be respected.

On that note, I am grateful to the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner for reviewing the claims made by Mr. Barrett and the media, and for his conclusion that there is no need for his office to look into this matter further. The impartial, independent and non‑partisan body in charge of the rules has made its decision and that should be respected.

I have always fulfilled my obligations under the Conflict of Interest Act, and I have worked with the Office of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner. When I was elected in 2021 and appointed to cabinet, I began the process of organizing my professional affairs in accordance with the Conflict of Interest Act.

Working with the commissioner's office, I placed my company, Xennex, and a numbered company that holds investments, under the management of a third party, as required by the act.

To act as the third party, I chose Ms. Kirsten Poon, who, in addition to being a former employee, has also been a friend of mine for more than a decade and was a person I trusted to manage things. My past business and personal relationship with Ms. Poon was, and continues to be, reported to the Ethics Commissioner's office, as required by the act.

I would also note that since my election, Xennex has ceased day-to-day operations and Ms. Poon acts, effectively, as an administrator for the companies to ensure that needed tax filing and other paperwork are filed.

Despite innuendo to the contrary, I am not a lobbyist. I have never been a lobbyist and I have never had any interest in being a lobbyist.

In fall 2021, as part of the finalization of my affairs as a private citizen, my lawyer informed Global Health Imports Corporation, or GHI, that I was leaving my position as a director. As stated in the Global News articles, it is the responsibility of a company to update the relevant federal and provincial trade records in the event of a change in director. However, since this was not done in a timely manner, my lawyer submitted the necessary update to ensure that the situation has been resolved, which is reflected in both registries. Since being elected, I have had no role in the operations of GHI. I have no idea of the financial or operational situation of this company or any of Mr. Anderson's ongoing commercial ventures.

I would now like to turn to the misinformation that some Conservatives have been trying to spread regarding these circumstances.

First, there has been much innuendo about the fact that Edmonton International Airport, which was a former client, had meetings with staff in other ministers' offices and also received grants from the Department of Transportation and PrairiesCan since I took office.

I want to be clear. I in no way facilitated such meetings. I would also note that the Edmonton International Airport is the fifth-largest airport in the country as well as a major hub for the movement of goods and people.

Second, it was noted that over the past two years, I had received revenue from Navis Group, owned by Kirsten Poon. Mr. Chair, I must say that this is already known, because I disclosed these revenues to the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner and then in my public statement, in accordance with the rules.

I also clarified that the revenues I received and disclosed were all for work I did between 2019 and 2021 as a private citizen. None of that revenue comes from work done since I took office, and none of it is related to the lobbying work done by Ms. Poon's company.

It comes as no surprise to me, Mr. Chair, that the Conservatives have tried to double down on innuendo and misdirection to try to distract from all of these facts. It appears, unfortunately, to be a deliberate attempt to mislead Canadians by portraying what has been fully disclosed to the Ethics Commissioner as scandalous, when no such scandal exists. For them, following the rules, being open and transparent, meeting all the obligations and having the Ethics Commissioner see no need to evaluate my business affairs are simply inconvenient obstacles that can get in the way of a social media clip.

Let's move on to questions, Mr. Chair, after which I'll get straight back to work serving Edmontonians, Albertans and all Canadians.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Thank you, Mr. Boissonnault.

Before I go to Mr. Barrett, I'm going to remind you, sir, that you are here today because of a motion that was passed by a majority of members on this committee.

Mr. Barrett, you have six minutes. Go ahead.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Minister, there's fraud and there's another Randy in a “partner call” at your company. What is the other Randy's last name?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Barrett, I do not know the name of that person, as I stated in my opening statements before at committee. I have no operational role with GHI. I do not know that person in question. That person is not me.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

What is your percentage stake in the company?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

As has been disclosed in my disclosure to the Ethics Commissioner, a 50% stake in GHI is held by my holding company.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Who are the partners of the company?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I do not know.

Mr. Anderson, to my knowledge, is the only administrator of that company.

I have no connection other than holding the shares to that company, Mr. Barrett.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

You're holding half of the shares.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Half of the shares are in my numbered company, as disclosed to the Ethics Commissioner.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Do you know who holds the balance of the shares?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

When I was involved, the last time I looked, it was Mr. Anderson.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

It's your understanding that you, Randy Boissonnault, and Mr. Anderson are fifty-fifty partners in the company.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

That is not correct.

The shares are held by 2256956 Alberta Ltd.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Who owns that numbered company?

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

I do.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

That's cute.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

It's not cute, Mr. Barrett. It is—