Evidence of meeting #122 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was randy.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Konrad von Finckenstein  Commissioner, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner
Lyne Robinson-Dalpé  Director, Advisory and Compliance, Office of the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I have a point of order, Chair.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Has the CRA?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Hold on, Mr. Green. I've stopped the clock.

I have a point of order from Mr. Barrett.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Does the procedure committee not require that a witness answer a question?

Not knowing the answer to a question or providing an answer that isn't satisfactory to the member asking are not open to debate; however, refusing to answer a question of a parliamentarian at committee is and has been found to be a contempt of the right of the parliamentarian who has put the question.

Therefore, Chair, on a refusal to answer a question, it is a fact that this is not permissible. I put to you, Chair, that the minister is refusing to answer a member's question—

11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, I am not refusing to answer any question.

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Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

—and that's not acceptable.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Yes, Mr. Barrett, we dealt with this with Mr. Wernick. When he was here, I clearly stated that the expectation of the committee is that the witnesses will provide answers to the questions.

I'm going to leave it to Mr. Green, in the very short period that he has left, to conclude this round, and then we're going to go to other rounds here.

June 4th, 2024 / 11:55 a.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

On the same point of order, Chair—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

The expectation is that the minister will answer, and then it'll be up to the committee to decide. If they're not satisfied with those answers, then they can take action, Mr. Barrett.

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Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I'd like to speak on the same point of order.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I'm sorry, Mr. Green. We have another point of order.

Go ahead, Mr. McKinnon.

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Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

Mr. Chair, I would like to comment that the minister has not refused to answer any questions. He's given answers—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

That's debate, Mr. McKinnon.

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Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

I'm responding to the point of order. The allegation is false. He's given answers. They just don't like the answers.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I appreciate that. Thank you.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

On the point of order, sir....

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Mr. Green, go ahead on the point of order.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Given that I'm part of the topic of the point of order, I reserve the right to also submit to you, sir, that he has refused to provide answers to this committee. He's done it on multiple occasions in two minutes and 23 seconds. I would like to say that this is what I would consider to be a breach of the powers of this committee.

I would suggest to you that nobody, whether a parliamentary secretary or a cabinet minister, is above the procedures of a standing committee. That is why he's here before us, Mr. Chair.

I would ask, through you, on this point of order that the member provide in writing—and he can refer to the Hansard for the subject of the questions that I've asked him—a response, sir, and failing to do so puts him in breach, in my opinion, of the Standing Orders and powers of this committee.

11:55 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Thank you, Mr. Green.

On that, I am going to ask the clerk on your behalf, sir, to review the Hansard and to submit the questions that have been asked of Mr. Boissonnault and have him respond to the committee.

Madam Clerk, just make a note of the time on that.

11:55 a.m.

NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

How much time do I have left in my round?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

You have 15 seconds by my clock, but—

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Okay. I'll take the 15 seconds.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I ask that you continue, sir. Go ahead.

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NDP

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

With my 15 seconds left I will say that, in the opening remarks, the minister suggested that this is somehow a Conservative witch hunt. I share with you that, as a New Democrat and someone responsible for—

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Liberal

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Chair, I said no such thing.