Okay. We've established that you spoke to to him on the phone and you exchanged text messages with him on the date of September 6.
I want to refer you to a statement from your staff in regard to this matter. It said it wouldn't have been possible on the 8th of September because you were at a cabinet retreat in Vancouver and had no access to any electronic devices. You were also at a cabinet retreat on the 6th of September, 2022, and of course you had access to your devices that day, as you did on the 8th. Is that not true?