Evidence of meeting #127 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was business.

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3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I call the meeting to order.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Welcome to meeting number 127 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3)(h) and the motion adopted by the committee on Tuesday, May 7, 2024, the committee is resuming its study of the compliance of a minister with the Conflict of Interest Act.

Before I begin, I want to talk about a couple of housekeeping rules.

First, obviously, the committee has been in receipt of a lot of information over the summer, so I expect, Minister, there will be some very pointed questions today.

Second, I want to limit the disruptions as much as possible. This is a reminder to all committee members that any comments are to come through the chair; they're not to go across the table. I'm going to strictly enforce that.

The other thing I want to remind everyone about is the interpreters, and the need for a question to be asked and an answer to be given, even though we may not like the answer or we may not like the question. I want to remind all members that every member has the right to ask whatever question they want in relation to this issue, even if you don't like the question that's being asked.

With that being said....

Ms. Khalid, what is this on?

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

It's on exactly what you were saying. I want to add something, if that's okay.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I don't think there's a need to add something. I think I've been pretty clear.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Chair, I just wanted to reinforce Standing Order 18. Yes, absolutely, everybody has the right to ask the questions they're entitled to ask, but they must do so respectfully and refrain from calling people names, etc.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I think I made that clear. Thank you.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

If there is respectful discussion, I won't need to step in to make sure that the disrespect is—

An hon. member

Three strikes [Inaudible—Editor].

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Thank you, Ms. Khalid, for that.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

You can already hear the chirping, Chair, so I'm putting it out there. I would appreciate it if you could be proactive.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I am the chair of this meeting and I will conduct the meeting in the manner in which I think it needs to go. Thank you for that.

Mr. Boissonnault, you have five minutes to address the committee. Go ahead, sir.

Thank you.

September 19th, 2024 / 3:45 p.m.

Edmonton Centre Alberta

Liberal

Randy Boissonnault LiberalMinister of Employment

Thank you, Mr. Chair and colleagues.

Every member of this committee and every member of Parliament has an obligation to conduct themselves in a manner that respects both the letter and the spirit of Canada's strict ethics regime for public officials. Throughout my time in public life, I've always done just that.

As I explained to this committee in the spring, I respect the role of the opposition in holding the government to account on important issues. However, it's no secret that our conversations on accountability can, more often than not, be clouded by partisan interests. This has been particularly evident in the conduct of Conservative MPs in this Parliament.

When we are talking about people's reputations and people's ethics as they work to organize their financial affairs following an election, conversations that are marked with partisan suspicion and bad faith are neither helpful nor fair. To ensure fairness, we have a non-partisan and independent Ethics Commissioner to advise us, to help ensure compliance with our legal obligations and to adjudicate matters when concerns are raised.

With that in mind, I'm happy to inform this committee that the Ethics Commissioner has written to me and told me that he has completed his assessment, including the examination of my phone records. He has once again—for the third time—come to the conclusion that there is no cause for concern and he considers this matter closed.

To keep Parliament impartial, we have an independent, non-partisan Ethics Commissioner responsible for advising us, helping us comply with our legal obligations and adjudicating any matters that arise. With that in mind, I'm pleased to inform this committee that the Ethics Commissioner has written to me to say that he has completed his review, including the examination of my phone records. For the third time, he has come to the conclusion there is no cause for concern, and he considers this matter closed.

I thank the Ethics Commissioner and his office for reviewing the facts and the evidence and confirming to me once again that he sees no reason to believe the allegations made about me in the media and by Conservative MPs.

Colleagues, the commissioner has no reason to believe these allegations, because they simply aren't true. That said, I do recognize the distraction that this matter has become. I sincerely regret and am disappointed by the partisan attacks the allegations have prompted, and the effect they've had on my family and those around me.

With the benefit of hindsight, I should not have gone into business with Mr. Anderson. While it has had no impact whatsoever on my duties as a minister, and while I have always followed my ethical obligations, it is clear in hindsight that this is not an individual whose actions and choices I want reflecting on me.

With the benefit of hindsight, I realize that I should not have gone into business with Mr. Anderson. While it has had no impact whatsoever on my ministerial duties, and while I have always honoured my ethical obligations, it's clear, in hindsight, that this is not an individual whose actions and choices I would want reflecting on me.

Like all of you, I had deep concerns following Mr. Anderson's testimony before this committee. Like all of you, I believe he has an obligation to be forthright with this committee about the facts of this matter, in particular because I know those facts would further confirm that I'm not involved.

If Mr. Anderson was in fact intending to refer to someone else in the text messages he sent, he should give that person's name to this committee. If he was in fact using my name without my knowledge or permission, he should tell that to this committee. I do not know which is the case, but I can say unequivocally that I absolutely did not take part in the conversations referenced. I sent no such messages to Mr. Anderson. I had no involvement with any dealings or business with the Ghaoui Group, and any suggestion to the contrary is not true.

In the spirit of transparency, I proactively sent my own records for September 6 and 7 to the clerk of the committee this morning, which I previously gave to the Ethics Commissioner at his request prior to his most recent letter to me on this matter. I trust this will further illustrate the simple truth. Whatever happened there, I was not involved, and I invite the members here to review those records for themselves.

Once again, I thank the Ethics Commissioner for impartially reviewing the evidence and confirming this for a third time.

Friends, I'm here to provide what clarity I can, even though I was not involved in the events this committee has questions about.

However, I am here to provide the clarity I can today, even though I was not involved in the events this committee seems to have questions about. Let's have a conversation about the facts. Let's move beyond the baseless accusations and innuendo. Then let's all get back to work delivering for Canadians.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Thank you, Mr. Boissonnault.

For the benefit of the committee, we received that information at 1:08 this afternoon. It has been sent out to translation. It will come back translated. I will certainly share that with the committee when it comes back.

Again, I remind everyone to be mindful of our interpreters. Members have time to ask questions. Minister, you have time to respond. I don't want to be in a position of refereeing and getting in the middle of the questioning. Ask the question, answer it and let's go.

Go ahead, sir.

Matthew Green NDP Hamilton Centre, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

May I ask, in keeping with the concern related to disruptions, that if there are points of order, the point of order be stated in advance of the intervention?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Okay. It's a fair ask.

Mr. Barrett, go ahead for six minutes, please.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Mr. Boissonnault, who's Randy?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Mr. Barrett, could you clarify your question?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

There are a series of text messages from your discredited business partner, Mr. Anderson. Those messages refer to “Randy”.

Is that you?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

It is not.

In fact, as I indicated in my opening statement, I've turned over my phone records to the Ethics Commissioner and now to this committee. As you will see, they show none of the text messages that have been reported on by Global News. The messages—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Okay.

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

—that I turned over were across all platforms, Mr. Barrett—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Okay.

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

—and across all the telephones I have. The Ethics Commissioner has come to the conclusion that I am not that Randy.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Where were you on September 6?

Randy Boissonnault Liberal Edmonton Centre, AB

Let's walk through a timeline, which I think will be helpful.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

You have the same amount of time to answer that I used to ask.