Evidence of meeting #130 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was disinformation.
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Liberal
Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS
At 6:21, we received a notice of motion, presumably as amended by either Mr. Williamson, Mr. Caputo or Mr. Cooper—I'm not sure which—but it strictly strikes everything out, and I don't remember Mr. Caputo saying that. I do remember Mr. Williamson saying that, but I don't remember Mr. Cooper saying that.
Are we suggesting now that all of the preamble is gone, based on the email we got at 6:21?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
We haven't disposed of Mr. Caputo's amendment yet. I think what was sent to you was a proposal that reflects accurately what Mr. Caputo's amendment was, and that is to delete the entirety of the preamble and, then, just deal with that last line that's there. That's what we're on right now. Effectively, what we're on right now is Carney for two hours, Byrne for one, Singh for one and 14 calendar days. That's the amendment we're on right now.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
I know Mr. Williamson brought it up, but I know Mr. Caputo did bring it up as well, Mr. Fisher.
Liberal
Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS
Okay, so the motion that's on the floor right now is Mr. Caputo's and not Mr. Williamson's.
Conservative
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
—is to delete the entirety of the preamble. I'm going to say this. Frankly, preambles on these types of motions have no business being in motions, regardless of who's proposing them. If you want to deal with something, deal with it directly.
What we're dealing with, on the amendment, is “That, pursuant to Standing Order 108(1)(a), the committee call upon Mark Carney for two hours, as well as Gurratan Singh and Jenni Byrne for one hour each, to testify before the committee within 14 calendar days of the adoption of this motion.”
That's the amendment we're dealing with right now. The preamble is proposed to be gone.
Does that clarify that for you, Mr. Fisher?
Liberal
Darren Fisher Liberal Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS
That's not what I understood, but I got the clarification I was seeking. Thank you.
Conservative
Bloc
Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC
I just want to check something: when you read the motion, you did not add Mr. Singh. I didn't hear the interpreter name him.
Mario Simard Bloc Jonquière, QC
Okay. If Mr. Singh is included, we're talking about the same motion.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
According to the amendment that was just proposed, Mr. Singh will appear before the committee for one hour.
Mr. Barrett, it's on a point of order, I assume, not debate. Is it a point of order?
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
Yes, and on that point of order, Chair, the text that Mr. Fisher references...what form did that take in its circulation? I'm rejoining after being in the House, dealing with the Speaker's ruling on the last report you tabled from the committee.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
I haven't sent them out. I know the clerk has been on this, so I'm going to get the clerk to advise you on the question you asked.
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
I'm happy to take that off-line, if that's easier.
The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Nancy Vohl
It seems that everybody, including me, may be a little confused. I do a lot of things with tracked changes, so I'm hoping I sent you one of the many versions with tracked changes.
The amendment by Mrs. Shanahan was agreed to. It added some text regarding Jenni Byrne and that she also be invited, and it was for two hours each. Now we are back—
Conservative
Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON
It's two hours for Ms. Byrne and for Mr. Carney.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative John Brassard
Now what we're dealing with is Mr. Caputo's proposal to strike the entirety of the preamble and then to have Mr. Carney appear for two hours and Ms. Byrne and Mr. Singh for one hour within 14 calendar days of the motion being adopted. Am I correct?
The Clerk
It's to delete everything that is part of the preamble and leave, “That, pursuant to Standing 108(1)(a), the committee call upon Mark Carney for two hours” and then add “as well as Gurratan Singh”, which is part of the new amendment, “and Jenni Byrne”, which was already adopted. Then, instead of being for two hours each, it becomes two hours for Mark Carney. Then we add, “Gurratan Singh and Jenni Byrne for one hour each within 14 calendar days of the adoption of this motion.”