I think foreign state adversaries are going to play their game. They're going to do it for their personal gains and for their own reasons—whether they're a politician doing it for personal gain or a group of individuals doing it for personal gain, or whether it's for the betterment of their country and their perspective.
There's really no escaping that reality. It's going to happen. It's how we can handle it. How can we do things to possibly change that?
I think it's important to note that we do about $3.4 billion a day in trade with the United States. That's about 66% of our entire trade. That's around the figures when last I was checking on Global Affairs.
If you want to influence another country into doing what you need them to do—whether it be following norms or “knocking it off”, if I may say, in terms of foreign interference—you need something to push them with. We don't have good trade capacity to do that.