Evidence of meeting #141 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was cra.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

André Lareau  Associate Professor, Faculty of Law, Université Laval, As an Individual
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Nancy Vohl

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Yes, there was another—

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

That's what I just said.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

There was another motion put on notice today. I'm going to Mr. Caputo right now to deal with that.

Go ahead, Mr. Caputo.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'd like to propose an amendment. I think it should be viewed as a friendly amendment. It would strike out “November 26, 2024” and—

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Chair, that's absurd.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

I didn't interrupt Ms. Khalid when she spoke, Mr. Chair.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Go ahead, Mr. Caputo. You have the floor.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

I didn't turn the mic on myself.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC

Again, I didn't interrupt you, Ms. Khalid. I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

To start again, it's striking out November 26, 2024, and replacing it with with December 10, 2024.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Chair, I would like to be on the speakers list.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

The amendment is to change the date to December 10. I'm going to accept that. The motion is on the floor.

On the amendment, I'm going to go to Ms. Khalid.

Go ahead, Ms. Khalid.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Thank you very much, Chair.

While I appreciate the sneaky tactics of my Conservative colleagues here, I do have to outline that we hear time and time again in the House that you cannot do indirectly what you are not able to do directly.

My understanding is that there was the motion that Mr. Barrett had moved. Sure, it's on notice, and maybe he's able to move it today, but he did put in a new motion today that showed the new date that Mr. Caputo is so conveniently now trying to change the date for—

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I have a point of order, Chair.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

He has a point of order, so he's entitled to that.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Sure.

Go ahead, Chair.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Go ahead, Mr. Barrett.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Chair, I believe you'll agree that motions that are put on notice that haven't been moved by the member are confidential until moved by the member who's put them on notice.

Chair, the discussion being offered by Ms. Khalid is certainly out of order and should cease.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I've already accepted the amendment by Mr. Caputo, so if you want to speak on the amendment by Mr. Caputo, you're more than welcome to do that, Ms. Khalid.

The amendment is to change the date to December 10. We're on the amendment.

Go ahead, please.

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

Chair, what I have to say I would like to say in camera.

I do now move that the committee move in camera.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

We have a motion to move in camera.

I'm going to see if we have consensus to do that.

We don't.

It's a dilatory motion, so there's no debate on it. I'm going to ask the clerk to take the roll on moving the committee in camera.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Nancy Vohl

The motion is that the committee now proceed to sit in camera.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

We have a tie, so I'll vote no.

(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

We are on the amendment that Mr. Caputo proposed.

Go ahead, Mrs. Shanahan, on the amendment, please.

Brenda Shanahan Liberal Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC

Thank you, Chair.

I'm going to have to keep straight which motion I can talk about and which motion I can't talk about, right?

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

We're on the amendment.