Information & Ethics Committee on Dec. 17th, 2024

[Brenda Shanahan, Liberal, Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

Mr. Barrett, you made your point on the difference between the act and the code. I appreciate that.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

I have a point on that same point of order, Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I did not appreciate the last part of it.

[Michael Barrett, Conservative, Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON]

Do you mean the lack of understanding? That's the definition of the word. It's a lack of understanding.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Mr. Chair, I am just as capable of calling people names. I refrain from that because I have respect for this committee and for this place.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

Ms. Khalid, hang on a second.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

This is the second or third time he's done it today, Chair. That's just today.

[Michael Barrett, Conservative, Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON]

A lack of understanding is not—

[An hon. member]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I would prefer it in a different tone and a different context, Mr. Barrett, to be fair.

[Brenda Shanahan, Liberal, Châteauguay—Lacolle, QC]

I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I have several points of order here.

Go ahead—

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Sir, I called a point on that same point of order that Mr. Barrett raised.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

Can we just agree to—

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

No, Chair. I want to make a point here.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

No. Hang on a second.

[Iqra Khalid, Liberal, Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON]

Before I started my remarks—

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I'm not going to you until I'm done.

We will just agree that we're going to get through this. We're not going to go point-counterpoint. This is not a Saturday Night Live skit. Let's just get through this without any assertions, please.

Ms. Khalid, go—

[Darren Fisher, Liberal, Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS]

No. Brenda has a point of order, and I have a point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I'm going to go to Mr. Fisher and then to Ms. Shanahan on the points of order.

Go ahead.

[Darren Fisher, Liberal, Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS]

I get, Mr. Chair, that you want to see this go a bit more smoothly, but Standing Order 18 says that you can't “use offensive words against either House, or against any member thereof.” You wiped it away by asking him not to do it again, and then he did it again.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I've asked him not to do it.

[Darren Fisher, Liberal, Dartmouth—Cole Harbour, NS]

He has to apologize for doing it.

[The Chair, Conservative, John Brassard]

I can't make him apologize, Mr. Fisher. I can't. I am trying to control this meeting as best I can here.