All right.
Now, speakers, having permitted Ms. Hepfner and now having an amendment that we will now go to, I am going to make a general ruling so that we don't have this issue in the future.
To be clear, when the speakers list is exhausted—those in the room and those with hands up on Zoom—I will ask if there are any other speakers. I would suggest to anybody on Zoom that you not be shy about putting your hand up. If you would like to speak on debate, get your hand up. Otherwise, I have no way of knowing if there is any further debate, and then we would need to go straight to the question.
Right now I have Ms. Saks. For those on Zoom, I have Mr. Brassard who also wishes to speak, and I see other hands going up.
Go ahead, Ms. Saks, on the amendment.