Again, this comes down to trust in our institutions—between Canadians and the RCMP, Canadians and Parliament, Canadians and government agencies. When we had this question on the Order Paper returned, the RCMP said they'd used ODIT 10 times. Now, as referred to by one of the Liberal members, we have a letter from Commissioner Brenda Lucki to our committee. They're now saying that it's been used 32 times, yet they refuse to follow this committee's request for information on the details of the warrants that were used. The warrants are under all different aspects of the Criminal Code and our charter rights, so we have to be concerned about how it's being used that way.
Also, the RCMP refuses to disclose whether they are using this type of spyware here on the Hill, against parliamentarians, against our staff or against departmental officials.
How do you feel about the RCMP...? Again, the yardsticks keep moving. They refuse to comply with Parliament's supremacy here in getting information and are withholding critical information that this committee has requested, which would also help inform your office on how ODIT is being used in Canada.