Thanks, Chair.
I'll start with Mr. Wernick.
You've made some really interesting remarks today. I really appreciate your differentiating the focus on transparency as opposed to request-based ATI.
You also mentioned that political staffers should be opened up to ATI, but you also have said that cabinet confidence is a necessity. Can I ask you to unpack that a little bit?
What kind of communication would a political staffer provide, where a bureaucrat talking specifically on policy or on decision-making would not be sufficient, so that we would need to go further toward having a political staffer also be ATIP-ed?
I would love your thoughts on that.