Lots of these issues are absent from policy discourse, because the starting point is knowing what the state's implication and role are to begin with. If I go, for example, on security state issues, all of these issues implicate CSIS, if not directly, then by consultation. Yet, if you want to consult a record from CSIS as an individual, you are not even allowed to know the access to information coordinator's name. When you look at the index of the access to information coordinator, which is listed publicly for every single department, you see that CSIS likes to pretend.... This office, the access to information office, is the most public-facing office of their institution, because they have to interact with the public, yet they like to pretend that they're in some kind of secret operation where the culture is like Fight Club: You don't talk about fight club.
How can you broker any kind of relevant discourse when this is the attitude when it comes to just knowing, let alone how to shift from knowing into public policy discourse?