Right.
We heard testimony at another committee this week, at government operations—and it was reported in the media—that the former head of McKinsey had taken a dinner with the now Deputy Prime Minister at her private residence. That firm has since done significant business—in excess of $100 million—with the government.
If there was a friendship there and no business was discussed, I think that perhaps a reasonable person might say that was not a lobbying interaction, but if the relationship is based only around business—and that seems to be the comment that Mr. Barton has made—even a dinner at a private home would be considered a lobbying effort.