I will give you two examples from American history so you understand what for me is the difference between influence and interference.
When the Americans worked hard to have a coup in Chile, this was interference—direct interference. The objective was to destabilize an elected government in Chile in 1973, I think. When Americans are financing various think tanks, whether in France or Germany, this is influence. The aim is not to destabilize the democratic process. It is not in any way in a covert form, and it does not put our laws at risk.