Where I'm getting to, sir, is that I don't believe you to be a useful idiot. I think you're somebody who has taken the time to understand and know the culture you're dealing with. I'll still state—and I stated this to Mr. Morris Rosenberg—that it is the west's naïveté in thinking that they will engage in China and somehow change China, and not the other way around, that has brought us to this place.
Again, that's a political statement, not one that's germane to interference.
If you knew about these criticisms of the Confucius Institute, if you knew the Chinese government has an active way of using this type of cultural influence, academic influence, why were you not better prepared at the board level, given the nature of the foundation, given the fact your brother is a prime minister? Why was there not more duty of care at the board level to safeguard yourselves against this?