Evidence of meeting #74 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was foundation.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dean Baxendale  Chief Executive Officer, China Democracy Foundation and of Optimum Publishing International, As an Individual
Thomas Juneau  Associate Professor, Graduate School of Public and International Affairs, University of Ottawa, As an Individual
Andrew Mitrovica  Investigative Reporter, As an Individual
Dyane Adam  Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual
Ginger Gibson  Director, The Firelight Group, As an Individual
Madeleine Redfern  As an Individual

10:15 a.m.

Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

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As an Individual

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I see Dr. Gibson is shaking her head “no”, so we'll take it as that.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

That's perfect.

None of you were there when the agreement was actually signed. Can I just reconfirm?

10:15 a.m.

Director, The Firelight Group, As an Individual

Dr. Ginger Gibson

That is correct.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Were you selected as a member of the board before or after Madame Fournier became president?

Dr. Adam, my question is for you.

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Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Okay.

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Director, The Firelight Group, As an Individual

Dr. Ginger Gibson

I was selected after she became the president.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you, Dr. Gibson.

Go ahead, Ms. Redfern.

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As an Individual

Madeleine Redfern

It was after.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Was she involved in your selection as board members?

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Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

Dr. Dyane Adam

According to procedure, the assembly of members chooses the foundation's board members.

The assembly includes around twenty people who are independent from the board of directors. Some people can be part of both groups.

It's a bicameral structure, much like universities. In other words, there are two groups, one of which is responsible for appointing or removing members of the board of directors. So Dr. Fournier did not choose or appoint the members of the board of directors.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Did she support the process of proposing names for the board of directors?

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Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

Dr. Dyane Adam

I can't say because I didn't see that.

I was contacted by the chair of the board of directors at the time, Patrick Pichette. I can't say what happened in my case. My colleagues would know.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Go ahead, Ms. Redfern.

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As an Individual

Madeleine Redfern

I am not aware of the level of involvement Ms. Fournier had in my being put forward. I found out much later that it was a different member who had put my name forward. It was not her. I don't know the level of involvement she would have had.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Thank you.

Go ahead, Dr. Gibson.

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Director, The Firelight Group, As an Individual

Dr. Ginger Gibson

Similarly, I think I was chosen, in part, because I was a scholar and there was no scholar representation at the director level. I believe I was chosen as a result of that. I don't know who put my name forward or whether Dr. Fournier was involved at all in supporting that. I was supported by the full board. I was an active board member and very happy to be there.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Were you the last people appointed to the board of directors, or were any new members appointed to the board after you arrived?

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Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

Dr. Dyane Adam

I believe some members came in after me. Personally, I was appointed in 2020.

Names are submitted to the board of directors and, as I said, the assembly of members makes the recommendation.

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Liberal

Greg Fergus Liberal Hull—Aylmer, QC

Very good.

Was preparing for these new members part of the work of...

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

Mr. Fergus—

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Former Vice-Chair of the Pierre-Elliott Trudeau Foundation Board of directors, As an Individual

Dr. Dyane Adam

...the CEO, Dr. Fournier?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative John Brassard

I would ask you to provide a short answer.