I'm in line with the evidence that's been put forward to date.
I'm not an auditor. I'm not in the position, let's say, that the Privacy Commissioner would be in, to be able to go in and fully verify those statements. I'm able to go on the same publicly available evidence that they would be and that you would be, and based on that evidence, yes, it was de-identified. Telus made the case that they have a number of guardrails in terms of what was ultimately accessible to PHAC, so it's clear that there were steps taken to try to create those safeguards.
Again, if you're asking me to confirm based on some sort of inside knowledge, that isn't available. This program hasn't been transparent enough. I would ultimately trust the Privacy Commissioner's view, were they given the ability to go in and effectively audit what took place and then render a verdict on that question.