Indirect costs are a vital program to our members. Roughly half of all indirect costs that are funded by the federal government are invested in our members' institutions. That's point number one.
So I wouldn't necessarily disagree with Mr. Vinet. What is related to our most important recommendation is around investing in infrastructure. Indirect cost is related to it, but I have to tell you as well that what the Canada Foundation for Innovation has done is revolutionize the infrastructure in which we actually undertake research, whether it's health research or university-based research.