—the cupboard is bare.
So the question I have is—and I'm going to start with Mr. Dale, and then Amanda Aziz, and go down—do you think it makes the most economic sense to take whatever surplus you've got and put it all against the debt, even if there are no programs left to invest in, as Mr. Vanneste is suggesting? Is there another way to ensure that some of the needs you're talking about are met, so we're looking after not only the fiscal debt but also the infrastructure debt, the human debt, and the social debt?
So, Mr. Dale and Amanda Aziz, could you start?