The discrepancy is just that there's not as wide a consensus as you might believe on the numbers in terms of what was cut 10 years ago, and it's quite a large ask, so I don't think it has to be too specific. The point is that billions and billions of dollars were taken from the post-secondary education system, and as a result, Canada is falling behind other nations in terms of the percentage of GDP that we are spending on tertiary education, and this will have negative impacts on our competitiveness as a nation.
If the government were to enter into the dialogue with the provinces to create a pan-Canadian accord on post-secondary education and restore that dedicated transfer we're asking for, we anticipate that a huge amount of dialogue would take place around that number. So for right now, I don't think it's important that we present it as $4 billion or $5 billion, but say that anywhere in that range is going to do a lot for post-secondary education.