Thank you very much, Madam.
Mr. Jules, I appreciated your words again today. It's nice to see you again.
The Auditor General and numerous other observers--aboriginal leaders, community members--have commented repeatedly over the last number of years on the relative ineffectiveness of the use of housing dollars. You and I know that many more effective models could achieve better results, not least of all for the taxpayer, most of all for aboriginal people across this country.
In particular, on-reserve housing has been a problem. One of the areas you alluded to briefly and that I'd like you to expand on is the open-market housing models dozens of first nations communities are using. Is that correct, and what are the preliminary indications of the effectiveness of the dollars being used in that model as opposed to, shall we say, the old-fashioned model?