Yes. We concur with Jeff. In fact, with the Manitoba Chambers, we've been in discussions with the provincial government to try to revamp the apprenticeship program.
There are things that get in the way. Some of the unions have a particular interest in seeing that their existence is perpetuated. We have problems with some of those types of groups that don't want to change, so we feel there needs to be some understanding on the part of the provincial government and the independent apprenticeship board that we have to modernize our processes and free up more apprentices--and also have the understanding that it's a cost of business when you take on an apprentice. That's not necessarily always recognized.