Somewhat up. I think it's really important for us to set targets. If we look internationally at R and D spending as a proportion of GDP, then Canada lags behind. Sweden is at the top of the OECD rankings. We are below the OECD average of 2.25%. I think we should be number one. We should be right there with Sweden.
So it's not just the natural sciences; it applies to health and to all of the disciplines across the academic community.