We appreciate that.
I have the chair's prerogative to ask a couple of questions and will do so now.
A friend of mine who runs a food bank says there's a fine line between assisting those in need and perpetuating dependency unnecessarily. That balancing act--anyone who's in the area of social work, social policy, understands the challenges that are faced in that area. There's been a pretty well-acknowledged understanding that the old methods of handing out social assistance have perverse outcomes. A report just a couple of years ago from the Manitoba chiefs talked about access to post-secondary education and so on for aboriginal people today, as an example. The Manitoba chiefs report said that welfare has become a right of passage for healthy young aboriginal people and that it was discouraging aboriginal people from going into post-secondary education.
A lot of research has gone on throughout the OECD on this issue. Jeanne, you're an expert in this field. I understand other countries are taking steps to address the way they deliver. I'm not talking here about handicapped people. I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about healthy young people who get caught in the trap, or are discouraged from pursuing their own betterment because of ill-designed social programs. I'm interested in what ideas you may have on how we can encourage a better, more intelligent and effective delivery of social programs. I realize it's a massive topic, Jeanne, but any thoughts?