Another point that interested me is on commercialization. I think you're saying more emphasis should be given to that, and I agree with that, in the sense that I'm very proud of what our governments did to support research. It seems to me the next step would be to give more emphasis to bringing those ideas to market, but I know that's anathema for academics because they're not very keen on the commercial side of things.
So how do you square up public need, I believe, for greater commercialization, with an academic mindset that isn't particularly keen on that?