On indirect costs, the Heart and Stroke Foundation, which I have an association with, came to me last year when our economic update moved to 40% in indirect costs. They said they were getting burned. They used to fund the research that nobody else wanted to do, but last year they were having a hard time getting researchers, because we don't do the 40% of indirect costs. You are affected a little by that yourself—working in a hospital as opposed to a university.
On October 26th, 2006. See this statement in context.