All right, fine. Thank you.
The second question is to Mr. Kesteven.
These are some of comments that I read, quotes of yours, that were about the minister: “He's not going to budge. He's made that abundantly clear. I won't be wasting my limited time with him.” Those were your comments.
If that's the case, why have you indicated to your organization that it's worth spending millions of dollars trying to change the mind of the government?