Thank you, Chair, and thank you, witnesses.
First of all, I want to see whether we're talking about the same thing here. Mr. Stringham, in his paper, says that the oil and gas industry receives over $1.5 billion a year and then he goes on to say why that's not true. Mr. Caccia, in his paper, says the most recent data produced by the Pembina Institute and not disputed by Finance Canada show that the industry receives $1.4 billion annually in federal tax breaks. Provincial tax breaks are considerable too, but harder to quantify.
So my first question is to both Mr. Stringham and to Mr. Caccia. Are you talking about the same thing?