Okay, I'll have to stop you there. Thank you.
I want to turn to another witness, because we agree. It doesn't sound as if we do, but the problem, you're saying, is that they're not enforcing existing rules and that these companies are getting away without paying much in taxes, and if we did enforce the rules, they would pay some taxes and that would be a good idea. But I'm not asking you to answer that.
Ms. Yalnizyan, I want to turn to cities. I like what you said about cities and agree with you that they tend to be the neglected level of government. I think that under the Paul Martin government we started to move towards a gas tax and other revenue sources being transferred to cities. It's my opinion that the current government is not enamoured of this; it's of the view that cities are basically the creatures of the provinces.
So I'd like to ask you to comment on what you think would be the next step in terms of helping the fiscal situation of municipalities, not just cities, I should say.