Okay. Thank you.
I'll turn now to the question of pensions. I know Mr. Menzies is doing his tour, and you touched briefly on the subject of this challenge.
I totally agree with you that it's unfortunate that the companies can't pay over ten years, let's say, instead of five years, because that will eat into the current earnings and affect investment and so on, but it's a question of what the pensioners think of this. I think that under current arrangements, they need the agreement of the pensioners if they're to get this extension. Am I correct? My understanding is that more often than not, pensioners would not agree.
If there is such an impasse, what do you think is the appropriate solution?