Let me respond a little bit to that.
A lot of what the BDC does is loans to smaller businesses. Part of their mandate, obviously, is to put money into start-ups and new organizations, particularly the knowledge-based businesses. It's not uncommon in times like these, in heavy recessionary times, that they retrench a little bit. It's tougher to find the opportunities. However, this is the time when you need to invest--