I would just add to the quid pro quo side of the equation that it's not all a case of just giving to the corporation and giving nothing to the pensioners or beneficiaries of the plans. As my colleague has just commented, we advocate things such as, let's do an annual evaluation every year. Today, if you have a surplus, you can wait three years to file your next annual evaluation. In that intervening period of time, say from 2007, you wouldn't have to file again until 2010. In the meantime, everyone knows what has happened in the market. So is that right for the plan members? We don't think so.
On March 31st, 2009. See this statement in context.