I can't answer the specifics of that. As I said, all our major affiliates are very proactive on pension consultation and pension education. In fact, the Canadian Labour Congress set up an association, called the Shareholder Association for Research and Education, that publishes information on not just their specific pension plans, but on the broader issues of pensions.
I also understand that the issue of pension financing, as I'm sure you've heard through your hearings and in the obfuscation from employers, etc., does become very confusing on smoothing and actuarial evaluations and net present values, etc., and the system is very complex, but let me tell you something: most Canadians know what their Canada pension is. They get a statement every year that tells them what their benefit is going to be. Again, to reinforce, I think that's what we should be pursuing, but the complexity of pension financing, Mr. Menzies, as you heard yourself, needs to be addressed and simplified. People need to have it.
However, we are active; in fact, I have a full-time staff at the congress, and others, just to deal with the issue of pension.