Sir, the discussions have been what can we do to pay severance. We're absolutely convinced that paying the annual incentive plan and the retention is critical to preserve value within Nortel. That's based on any good practice that has happened in this country and many countries all over the world. Discussions were not either/or, but what we can do to in fact pay severance to employees. That's why, with all the arguments--and the board, myself, and Mr. Tay can attest to many late-night discussions on it--the view was that per the jurisdictions in Canada, and given the fact that severance payments to former employees carry the same weight as any other liability, the judge, for financial perspectives, would not be approve that request to pay severance.
On June 18th, 2009. See this statement in context.