Most of the technology related to gasification of coal and capture is already out there, so in my view, most of it would not be eligible for the scientific research and experimental development program. What we're trying to do is combine those technologies with a commercial-scale power plant, which to this date is not proven. So that's the element of risk that's being taken here, building something to that scale--
On September 29th, 2009. See this statement in context.