Evidence of meeting #49 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jean-François Nolet  Québec and Atlantic Canada Policy Manager, Canadian Wind Energy Association
Marcel Lauzière  President and Chief Executive Officer, Imagine Canada
Richard Monk  Past Chair, Certified Management Accountants of Canada
Jack Kitts  Member, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Ottawa Hospital, Association of Canadian Academic Healthcare Organizations
Chantal Guay  Chief Executive Officer, Engineers Canada
Paul Davidson  President, Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada
Jennifer Dorner  National Director, Independent Media Arts Alliance
Brigitte Gagné  Executive Director, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité
Jacques Lucas  Lead Director of Financial Services, La COOP Fédéréé, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité
Glenn Brimacombe  President and Chief Executive Officer, Association of Canadian Academic Healthcare Organizations
Pauline Worsfold  Secretary-Treasurer, Canadian Federation of Nurses Unions
James M. Laws  Executive Director, Canadian Meat Council
François Côté  Executive Director, Alliance des radios communautaires du Canada, Community Radios of Canada
Kevin Matthews  Executive Director, Broadcasting, National Campus and Community Radio Association, Community Radios of Canada
Peggy Taillon  President, Canadian Council on Social Development
Katherine Scott  Vice-President, Research, Canadian Council on Social Development
Ann Decter  Director, Advocacy and Public Policy, YWCA Canada
James Turk  Executive Director, Canadian Association of University Teachers
John Dunn  Executive Director, Foster Care Council of Canada
Wanda Fedora  President, Canadian Dental Hygienists Association

9:55 a.m.

Executive Director, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

Brigitte Gagné

There are currently 1,300 farm cooperatives in Canada—this only concerns agriculture. All those cooperatives support this request, that it be done at the federal level.

In Quebec, the cooperatives obviously understand that, once this kind of plan is in place at the federal level, Quebec will conduct a review so that it can align itself with all the other provinces. What they want is to have something coherent, clear, coast to coast, that doesn't apply to just one province. If this is left to the provinces, it will be put in place in a very uneven manner.

9:55 a.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Don't you think that it's up to each of the provinces to do this if they want to benefit from it, as Quebeckers have benefited from it?

9:55 a.m.

Executive Director, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

Brigitte Gagné

No, we're really asking that the federal government take charge of this so that it has the same effect across Canada.

Our agricultural problems within the cooperatives are the same across Canada; we're applying the same formula and we would like to be able—

9:55 a.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

I'm really pleased that, once again, there is a consensus on a model in Quebec and that it shows that we have adopted good policies. I agree with that. As for the terms and conditions, we'll see later.

9:55 a.m.

Executive Director, Conseil canadien de la coopération et de la mutualité

9:55 a.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you.

I have another question, for Mr. Kitts.

You talked about a federal infrastructure program to upgrade university health research infrastructure—the health institutions. First, if you make this kind of request and if it's ever accepted, I ask you to be very patient because you referred to the infrastructure program in which the municipalities can take part, and we haven't seen much on the ground to date. There have been a lot of announcements and little action. So I'm not sure having a pan-Canadian infrastructure program for this is necessarily a good idea.

Health—we're talking about university health research—is a provincial jurisdiction. If there's ever this kind of program in Quebec, we would of course work to ensure that the Quebec government managed it, because this is a provincial jurisdiction, both health and education. Do you have a comment to make on that?

9:55 a.m.

Member, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Ottawa Hospital, Association of Canadian Academic Healthcare Organizations

Dr. Jack Kitts

I guess in terms of health research, research hospitals account for about 80% of health research in the country, while universities account for about the other 20%. In the knowledge infrastructure fund, the universities are eligible for infrastructure development but the hospitals were not included, so our point was that perhaps in the next budget it would appropriate to include hospitals in the renovation infrastructure fund.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you.

My next question is for Mr. Nolet. You said that, if the government did not stick to the amounts announced, about 2,000 megawatts would be in jeopardy. You're talking about investing new funds to generate an additional 8,000 megawatts. What's the potential? Have you prepared any estimates of the wind energy potential in Quebec and Canada?

10 a.m.

Québec and Atlantic Canada Policy Manager, Canadian Wind Energy Association

Jean-François Nolet

If you consider the size of Canada and its coastal areas, the potential is enormous. We have a world class wind resource. Our association anticipates the development of 55,000 megawatts of wind energy by 2025, which represents 20% of power generation capacity in Canada.

In Quebec, we can anticipate equally large figures. We're assessing how many megawatts Quebec would generate among those 55,000 megawatts. If all Hydro-Quebec projects move forward, we'll have 4,000 megawatts of wind energy in 2015, which will represent roughly a little more than one-third of Canada's capacity.

10 a.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Davidson, you—

10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

That's it. Thank you, Mr. Laforest.

We'll go to Mr. Menzies, please.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I thank all of you for your presentations. I hope you do realize how much we appreciate these presentations. We're full of questions, but we don't have time to ask questions of all of you, so please don't be offended if we don't ask questions of everyone. We will try to highlight, of course, what piques our interest.

I'll try to share my time with Mr. Wallace if I can.

First of all, wind energy is pretty important in my part of the world, Mr. Nolet. Your numbers are interesting. You're talking about projections across Canada and suggest that, to use your term, the support will end in 2009, but it's my understanding that the ecoENERGY renewable power continues on.

The intention of that is to encourage production of 14.3 terawatt hours. As an example, there's just been an announcement by Greengate Power in my riding of a two-phase project. Once again, the first phase in itself will become Canada's largest wind farm. These folks are basing it on the commercial price of power generation.

Can you explain your comment that the support will end while these folks are putting their own money into this?

10 a.m.

Québec and Atlantic Canada Policy Manager, Canadian Wind Energy Association

Jean-François Nolet

Yes. What we can see is that the program is designed to end at the end of March 2011. The program was so successful that it will have allocated all of its funds by the end of this month, October, in the fall of 2009. So the program is still on, but with no money. That's one of the problems.

We see that some projects in Canada that have signed some commission agreements with the provincial utilities will get their money, but the 2,000 megawatts of projects that are planned to be built from now until 2011, the end of the program, will have no money from ecoENERGY.

10 a.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

They'll basically be depending on the commercial value of the power they're generating to make it work.

10:05 a.m.

Québec and Atlantic Canada Policy Manager, Canadian Wind Energy Association

Jean-François Nolet

Yes, to make it work, but--

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

These guys have a pretty sound business plan. They have out-of-province if not out-of-country investors. I just want to make the point that it's actually commercially viable now.

If I may, I'll move on to Mr. Davidson.

It's good to see you in your new role. Best of luck going forward.

I do agree that your association stepped forward very quickly last fall when we challenged the associations on what investment they needed to meet this capacity of unemployed people going back to school.

There's an interesting number of 40,000 net new jobs since August in college grads alone. That's a number that people need to hear.

On your comment on Australia's investment in universities, I saw it the first time I went to India. There were billboards about Australia up and down the streets in Mumbai and New Delhi, but I didn't see any Canadian ones. Why are we missing the boat there? What do we need to do?

10:05 a.m.

President, Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada

Paul Davidson

Thanks for the question. It's something I have a real passion for.

If you look at what Australia chose to do about 10 or 15 years ago, they set as a foreign policy objective international student recruitment to build those kinds of links. They have funded significantly, to the tune of $20 million to $30 million a year of federal Australian funds, to support the work of Australian universities. Australia has a federal system, but they have found a way to work across their federal structure and in conjunction with universities. A key piece is national leadership, national funds, and a coordinated approach among the stakeholders.

I might say also that the British Council and the Government of the United Kingdom has also significantly increased its funding in this area.

I would also add, in terms of the urgency of the situation, that since 9/11 Canada has picked up a number of international students who would have otherwise gone to the United States. But there's a new environment in the United States now, so the flow will start moving back in that direction very shortly.

What it requires is recognition by the government that it is a national priority, that it creates real jobs in communities across the country, and that we have the capacity in the system in Canada.

Just to illustrate a little bit, I think you visited Vancouver Island University, or you heard a presentation from them. The City of Nanaimo has a thousand international students. Seven hundred of those students have lived with host families in that community. So against the backdrop of declining forestry and a declining fishery, this is the new knowledge economy, and Canada can play in this game.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Ted Menzies Conservative Macleod, AB

Thank you.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

You have a minute and a half.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I'll be very quick.

I have a question for Engineers Canada.

I have an individual in my riding who is pressuring me hard on the round table issue. As others have said, there are programs the federal government has that we look at, and if they're not delivering results, we get rid of them. I think it's the right thing to do as a government. If we were to fund the round table, what are the deliverables?

10:05 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Engineers Canada

Chantal Guay

There have already been some deliverables. We have been working with Infrastructure Canada, and we presented, in May, a framework to look at establishing the state of performance and management practices for infrastructure in Canada.

Basically, the renewal deficit is very large. We've heard all kinds of numbers—$125 billion is what the FCM is putting forward. We have a very large problem, and we don't have a lot of money to address it. Basically, what the round table would be able to deliver is an approach and a strategy to prioritize our interventions and make sure that....

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

So your expectation is that we put in front of the round table what we're thinking of doing for infrastructure projects around the country. And you would come back to say to the government that these are the priorities as you see them as an organization.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Give a brief response, please.

10:05 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Engineers Canada

Chantal Guay

It would be part of the work. We're only asking for half a million for three years.

10:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Thank you, Mr. Wallace.

Monsieur Mulcair, s'il vous plaît.