Could I ask a very brief question on that? I have about 30 seconds.
The researchers themselves will always raise the granting council funding because obviously that most directly affects them, but the university presidents will very often raise the indirect costs because, as presidents of the institutions, that is obviously what they're most often concerned about. So what's the proportion? You're advising the committee. If you had a dollar to spend on research, what proportion would you allocate for granting councils and what proportion for indirect costs?