Donald, on the EI, thank you for raising some of those issues. In the mid-1990s, when the federal government of the day gutted the EI program, it cost $20 million a year, in my riding alone, of federal money that used to flow in that no longer came. All those people were then pushed onto the welfare rolls. That was just Winnipeg Centre. The same was true in Judy's riding in Winnipeg North--another $28 million per year. That's like losing two Palliser furnitures right out of the heart of your riding, in that one neighbourhood. So you're wise, I think, to target EI. Plus the federal government shouldn't scream too much; it's not their money. They don't put a penny into the EI program; it's simply an insurance program.
There are statistics I want to ask you about. The number we have used from the social planning council in my riding--I'd ask you to verify this--is that 52% of all the children live below the poverty line in my riding of Winnipeg Centre. In half of those families, at least one of the parents works full time, so we have a child poverty crisis here.
The question I throw to you is, briefly, has the Social Planning Council studied other countries, western developed nations, and looked at their incidence of child poverty, whether it's western Europe or the Scandinavian countries?